beating a dead horse. balance point?

[ibb88]

Hey guys and gals, me and stunna have been out practicing but so far have not hit bp. Can someone explain again how to get to bp? I never hit 12 oclock but I don't think that is it. I need instruction like are your legs suppose to be clamped to tank? Are you suppose to stand straight up locking legs etc? How does bp feel? How do you know when you are there? Yesterday I was up but could not determine if I was there or not. I am practicing coasters. It's what you guys told me to do. I can get the bike up at slow speed but once up I use gas to keep it up. I have rpm at 3000. Do you let off throttle? Talk to me guys. My legs are beat right now.

[skinnyR!]

I am practicing coasters.

You are pulling in the clutch and practicing coasters, but you don't know where balance point is?????

Coasters are behind balance point, you should know balance point if you are practicing coasters. I don't get the problem here.

[ibb88]

You are pulling in the clutch and practicing coasters, but you don't know where balance point is?????

Coasters are behind balance point, you should know balance point if you are practicing coasters. I don't get the problem here.

I am just starting out with this stunting stuff. Woo told me to start practicing coasters and hitting bp. So I spent some time yesterday trying. Is bp the first thing I need to learn? If so, how do you know when you are there? I have seen people at all different heights so I know bp is not just the height of the bike but trying to put logic to it and learn is not working. I need someone to tell me so I can just go practice those instructions.

[ibb88]

Oh, I am not pulling clutch at all. So that might be my error there. I just blip it up and try to go slow and smooth. NOT. Still feathering throttle to stay up. VERY LAME.

[skinnyR!]

Oh, I am not pulling clutch at all. So that might be my error there. I just blip it up and try to go slow and smooth. NOT. Still feathering throttle to stay up. VERY LAME.

Yeah, don't sweat the clutch till you really slow em to a crawl. You obviously know bp various with alot of things, speed being critical.

Ill assume your in first. BP is where you are at constant throttle not accelerating. You have me thrown here, this is kinda hard to explain without doin it ya know.

Just clutch it up from a dead stop, keep getting the front higher and higher with each attempt. Eventually you will feel it out. Figure out and dont forget the rear brake.

[MikeM]

Hey guys and gals, me and stunna have been out practicing but so far have not hit bp. Can someone explain again how to get to bp? I never hit 12 oclock but I don't think that is it. I need instruction like are your legs suppose to be clamped to tank? Are you suppose to stand straight up locking legs etc? How does bp feel? How do you know when you are there? Yesterday I was up but could not determine if I was there or not. I am practicing coasters. It's what you guys told me to do. I can get the bike up at slow speed but once up I use gas to keep it up. I have rpm at 3000. Do you let off throttle? Talk to me guys. My legs are beat right now.

Clutch it up, and watch your forks. You want to get them horizontal. If they're still pointing down, ur not high enough.

[CrTcHRkTRcR]

^ very true, make sure to be on that brake, you can't hold bp at 5 mph without brake.. so what you need to work on is listening to your bike, and the rpms will stay constant, will little variations of gaining and dropping, by applying diff brake pressure.. so idle up, clutch it up from a dead stop, and while u catch it with brake let off the throttle, u'll learn how sensitive to be so it stays up, and just let idle carry you

[ibb88]

^ very true, make sure to be on that brake, you can't hold bp at 5 mph without brake.. so what you need to work on is listening to your bike, and the rpms will stay constant, will little variations of gaining and dropping, by applying diff brake pressure.. so idle up, clutch it up from a dead stop, and while u catch it with brake let off the throttle, u'll learn how sensitive to be so it stays up, and just let idle carry you


Holy cow. So you saying when I pop it up from a dead stop to use the brake to catch it? Meaning keep it at the spot? Man so tell me, this brak thing. Applying the brake must be very very very little? Is this true? When I touch it goes down. LAST QUESTION..How many times did it take you guys to pop it up from a dead stop and have it at balance point? Just trying to get an idea of how hard it is.

[TongWoo]

I am just starting out with this stunting stuff. Woo told me to start practicing coasters and hitting bp. So I spent some time yesterday trying. Is bp the first thing I need to learn? If so, how do you know when you are there? I have seen people at all different heights so I know bp is not just the height of the bike but trying to put logic to it and learn is not working. I need someone to tell me so I can just go practice those instructions.
I didn't tell you to try coasters in order to learn. I just told you HOW to do coasters... Listen to MikeM and CrTcHRkTRcR, they are giving you good advice. You HAVE to learn that back brake. Good luck, take your time, and BE SAFE!

[motopsyko32]

Yeah, don't sweat the clutch till you really slow em to a crawl. You obviously know bp various with alot of things, speed being critical.

Ill assume your in first. BP is where you are at constant throttle not accelerating. You have me thrown here, this is kinda hard to explain without doin it ya know.

Just clutch it up from a dead stop, keep getting the front higher and higher with each attempt. Eventually you will feel it out. Figure out and dont forget the rear brake.
It will start looking like mouse traps then progress from there. ive been stuck at mouse traps for 3 years.. then again I dont practice

[CrTcHRkTRcR]

Holy cow. So you saying when I pop it up from a dead stop to use the brake to catch it? Meaning keep it at the spot? Man so tell me, this brak thing. Applying the brake must be very very very little? Is this true? When I touch it goes down. LAST QUESTION..How many times did it take you guys to pop it up from a dead stop and have it at balance point? Just trying to get an idea of how hard it is.
just depends how hard u clutch it, eventually u wont' even think twice about it, sometimes i clutch th episs out of it, and can always catch it right on idle... u're just going to have to practice constantly.. u tap the brake it comes right down cuz u're not at bp yet.. god knows, i picked it up pretty quick, i first learned by doin first or 2nd gear at bp, then applying brake and slowing them down, and then turned up my idle and started from a dead stop, and in no time, wa la

[ibb88]

just depends how hard u clutch it, eventually u wont' even think twice about it, sometimes i clutch th episs out of it, and can always catch it right on idle... u're just going to have to practice constantly.. u tap the brake it comes right down cuz u're not at bp yet.. god knows, i picked it up pretty quick, i first learned by doin first or 2nd gear at bp, then applying brake and slowing them down, and then turned up my idle and started from a dead stop, and in no time, wa la


But check this out. I don't know bp. I dont know the feeling nothing. I heard to get forks horizontal so that is the key. So next outing I am on it. Plus I am doing this standing up. Should I be sitting down? Is bp 12 oclock or what? What is bp? I am 6'0, 240(LARD). Oh also , do I lock out legs. My left thigh is aching big time right now. I can tell I am still crunched up and not fully extended but I am not sure if I am suppose to be. I watch the video and it looks like everyone is pretty much standing straight up.

[CrTcHRkTRcR]

no, 12 is not bp, what sense would that make? don't; go rush and try it, cuz u're just goint o loop, u can't have the forks parallel with the ground unless u're going slow, or on brake.. so don't try goin 50 and gettin them horizonal.. that's just going to make u loop, u'll feel bp, just keep practicing, if you don't know it then you haven't hit it, plz take baby steps, i'm picturing this going bad.. and didn't u say originally u were working on circles ?

[TRICKY]

grab your bicycle and practice wheelies, best thing to learn how bp feels + it´s cheap and most times painless :twocents:

[MikeM]

..How many times did it take you guys to pop it up from a dead stop and have it at balance point? 10 to 15 thousand times or so. no joke, im a slow learner

[TRICKY]

10 to 15 thousand times or so. no joke, im a slow learner
Hey Mike did you notice you´re close to 5k posts!?

[MikeM]

Hey Mike did you notice you´re close to 5k posts!?
no i dont really keep track of them here

[ibb88]

grab your bicycle and practice wheelies, best thing to learn how bp feels + it´s cheap and most times painless :twocents:


HOW DOES IT FEEL? Can you describe it?

[ibb88]

no, 12 is not bp, what sense would that make? don't; go rush and try it, cuz u're just goint o loop, u can't have the forks parallel with the ground unless u're going slow, or on brake.. so don't try goin 50 and gettin them horizonal.. that's just going to make u loop, u'll feel bp, just keep practicing, if you don't know it then you haven't hit it, plz take baby steps, i'm picturing this going bad.. and didn't u say originally u were working on circles ?


We practice in this parking lot at the park. I am trying to do them slow. So are you saying dont worry about anything till I find bp? Work on finding bp then I can start the other stuff? Man this crap hurts the crap out of my clutch hand and left thigh. Plus my forks are leaking bad as heck. That is the big problem with the '03,'04 zuk1k.

[Niner]

Hey guys and gals, me and stunna have been out practicing but so far have not hit bp. Can someone explain again how to get to bp? I never hit 12 oclock but I don't think that is it. I need instruction like are your legs suppose to be clamped to tank? Are you suppose to stand straight up locking legs etc? How does bp feel? How do you know when you are there? Yesterday I was up but could not determine if I was there or not. I am practicing coasters. It's what you guys told me to do. I can get the bike up at slow speed but once up I use gas to keep it up. I have rpm at 3000. Do you let off throttle? Talk to me guys. My legs are beat right now.
Step 1: Pull in clutch.
Step 2:Hold throttle wide open until engine starts bouncing off the rev limiter
Step 3: Holding throttle wide open, let go of the clutch lever as fast as you can.
Step 4: pray for the best

Ballance point will be somewhere in there.

[MERK]

find someone with a 50 or a 4 wheeler or small dirtbike something with some wieight to it (bicycles are too light and the bp comes and goes too quickly plus you can use too much of your body weight) you are on a motorized piece of machinary let it do the work, i dont know about you but fuck peddling.....anyway get on this piece of machinary whatever it might be and pull it up, loop it out!! thats right crash!! that feelin right before you wreck, when the machine feels practically weightless is the bp....now i know some people may have a different opinoin but if your stunnin you are gonna wreck, especially learnin any slow shit so you should get it out of the way....usually 12 wrecks arent as bad as you would imagin them being, but you wont know until you wreck get up and go oh shit that wasnt bad at all, fuck it time for some coasters!!!

for real learn the bp on somethin you dont give a shit about wreckin, or doesn take as long as a streetbike does to fix, so when you go to your big bike you actually have an idea of what you are "looking for"

one more thing, make sure you film it, that is always a good way to learn....you will be amazed at how low your wheelie really is compared to what it feels like...also post up the footage, there is alot of experienced riders on this site that can point shit out

HEY! good luck!! and let me know when you want to sell that 1000

[CrTcHRkTRcR]

We practice in this parking lot at the park. I am trying to do them slow. So are you saying dont worry about anything till I find bp? Work on finding bp then I can start the other stuff? Man this crap hurts the crap out of my clutch hand and left thigh. Plus my forks are leaking bad as heck. That is the big problem with the '03,'04 zuk1k.
you're trying to advance too quickly.. it is baby steps, unless you wanna start crashin a lot.. balance point is where the rpms are stayin pretty steady, and you're not accelerating anymore, post up some vid and i can critique it from there, have stunna forward you the PM's i sent him

[TRICKY]

HOW DOES IT FEEL? Can you describe it?

Like Merk said, it´s the weightless feeling before you loop that shit! :teacher:




Merk, I only peddle cause my gixxer got stolen. I agree, small BP and you have to move your bodyweight much more on a bicycle but that makes you better on the motorbike. I even do no handers on my MTB and I can tell you there´s nothing better to learn how BP feels and to stay at it cause you have no rearbrake, it´s all about bodymovement! :cool:

[MikeM]

I gotta learn to wheelie a bicycle

[MERK]

Like Merk said, it´s the weightless feeling before you loop that shit! :teacher:




Merk, I only peddle cause my gixxer got stolen. I agree, small BP and you have to move your bodyweight much more on a bicycle but that makes you better on the motorbike. I even do no handers on my MTB and I can tell you there´s nothing better to learn how BP feels and to stay at it cause you have no rearbrake, it´s all about bodymovement! :cool:
i agree 100% but it will take alot longer to find the bp on a bicycle

[akstunna]

ok plain and simple.....you dont know your BP, so when you hit it youll feel warm, and then you relized you shit yourself.. :slaphappy or ounce you get up there you will need no trottle simple as that, try going fast and learning your brake and get a long wheelie down without gasin through it, other then that ALWAYS cover the brake, flipin over sucks ass and it so easlie prevented, try that out, learn faster before slow in my opinon. Take your time to. Get confortable on the bike first, a guy in my town though he could go slow with out barley riding, and not even geting his front end 2 feet off the ground, so were at the strip and hes shows up, long story short his FI cage saved his ass and nearly tottle his new GSXR, and ent up in a leg brace for a few weeks, but thats just cause hes a pusss! so cover you brake and know it well......